Are we all (subconsciously?) giving up on Domino yet?

Starting with Lotusphere (you know what I mean) this year I noticed stronger movement inside our yellow bubble.
It seems lot of the people that are active in presenting and blogging are already partly "investing" in other technologies than Domino/Notes. And it is only logical. Despite the fact that XPages team guys are extremely helpful and open (we're talking IBM here!) I'd say number of problems and drawbacks is a bit too high. Beginning with security problems (POODLE, Java, ...), last FixPacks for Notes/Domino had been not tested as they should had been, through outdated Eclipse under DDE to not offering standard set of tools (integrated test framework, decent version of Java, ...). *
And all these (and each of you probably can add one or two problems to this list) smaller or bigger drawbacks lead to inevitable conclusion: We can no longer treat Domino as a development platform of choice. World is moving forward so fast. Domino is not. Unfortunately.

Everything now happens in browser and on mobile devices. Even IBM knows that. From a developer perspective they want me to go Bluemix way. I can do that. I was using similar platforms long enough to know it works. Again: from my perspective. But as a consultant, I should evaluate all those similar offerings. Is it really the best one? Does it have better support? Higher uptime? Does it offer more memory and cpu power? Does it offer competitive price?
Not sure the answer to all these question is "Yes". And Bluemix certainly is new. Domino support there is still at almost "hello world" level.

Business-wise I have no idea how to convince my customers who use Domino to go Bluemix way.

* Not mentioning "exceptional" marketing support for Notes/Domino...and for User Groups.


I would say the "divesting" has been going on for a while now

While IBM continue to throw resources at Cloud and Verse (I think Verse is still way off from being what it could be) they throw Notes and Domino under the bus.

From 8.0 to 9.0.1 there was an average of 7 months between each x.x.+1 release (for example 8.0 to 8.0.1, 8.5.2 to 8.5.3 or 8.5.3 to 9.0). Between 9.0.1 and 9.0.2 it could be as much as 24-27 months between them.

Plan accordingly.

It is IBM that is giving up

And as a customer in the long run you cannot play against a vendor with a proprietary product. To be fair imho there are a lot of other products in the IBM portfolio that suffer from IBMs cost cutting strategy.
I can only speak for myself but in my case IBM XPages just isn't good enough and I cannot wait for IBM playing catch-up.


I partly agree with you : XWork is now a member of my toolbox, and, for some kind of projects, is still unmatched in terms of productivity. Despite it's "outdated" Java version etc...(should be fixed quite soon I hope). But we now have a wide range of tools, maybe to wide, and the time of the swiss army knife domino has gone.


Here's how it looks to me:

There's a product with a long history and powerful featureset that's being ignored and sidelined by a company that truly seems to be trying to crater itself ( ).

To many strikes, and NO hits.

don't give up on ideas

I mean: noSQL, JS, Java which resides in XPages

Too little, too late

Well, it's all been said before - IBM continues to throw mudd balls on the wall to see if they stick. After XPages they now (have) to throw Bluemix on the wall as this is the area where they are investing, so ICS (or whatever they are called now) has to go Bluemix for funding. Don't get me wrong - I like the idea and if the orchestration of services and the payment APIs are once in place, it might stick big time. Right now, the customer base continues to erode and it might soon be irrelevant whether we have a Domino/NoSQL database and an XPages stack on bluemix or not. While I still see a huge potential for Domino looking at all the versatile services it provides, you can't compete against perceptions and a vendor who thinks that he can make a living (and grow!) with the top 200 customers per sales area. There's more at stake for IBM here - I see a dramatic and fundamental change in this company's focus by turning away from the channel and the partners globally. Domino won't be the last product to get derailed in that process. So we might be ahead of the pack at least once ;-).

I have not...

I'm not giving up on Domino just yet. I do agree that as a developer, I need to keep growing and learning. But its not with the idea to move away from Domino, but rather make excellent Domino Apps. Hope IBM don't drop Domino.

Maybe if they fixed major issues

How about have it so i I'm opening a DB that hasn't built views, it doesn't freeze my client? I mean literally this is an ancient issue and no other software does it.

How about removing the 64GB DB limit? Its 2015, we should be able to have an NSF bigger than 64GB without DAOS.

I think if they had focused on the email client people would invest in xpages more, but now people are throwing away Notes and thus xpages.